Seems like lots of people come to the recognition that for really scalable long-running (and/or many-at-once-running) scenarios, you indeed need to build your system on continuations. Well, except if you want to build it on explicit state machines, like some less fortunate projects do, that is.
My just launched Rhino in Spring effort has some similarities with i.e. BPMScript, a project I discovered accidentally today - it's a Business Process Management solution that also uses Rhino with continuations to implement scalable long running processes in a maintainable way (that is, using a high-level programming language to express algorithms instead of explicitly managing a state machine). A prime example of a state machine-ish BPM is the one JBoss develops. Last year when I attended the JAOO conference, a guy from JBoss gave a presentation on JBoss's BPM and tried to convince us how their "graph oriented programming" (muhaha) is in fact much better for the purpose than object oriented programming, as object oriented programming "doesn't support suspend/resume of running processes". I almost fell out of my chair when I heard it. I tried whacking him with the cluebat of continuations after his presentations, but am not sure to this day that I got through. He apparently thought that people who design business workflows like drawing circles and boxes and connecting them with arrows more than writing proper programs in a proper programming language. Well, while there might be truth in that as well, I'm regardless glad to see more and more projects - like BPMScript - step on the more enlightened Way Of The Continuation :-)
The explicit dealing with a state machine is why it looks to me that it wouldn't make much sense integrating Rhino in Spring (RiS) with Spring Web Flow (SWF), by the way. Based on my current survey of SWF code, it's geared toward state machine execution, and can't nicely accomodate a totally different execution paradigm, which is a shame as there'd be some reusable bits if it weren't engineered with state machine approach throughout, assuming that the graph of flow states and transitions can be made readily available up front. It can when you write your program by coding a state machine directly. However as I pointed out in this comment on TheServerSide, enumerating all states of a JavaScript program is a futile thing, since it's a Turing-complete language and thus full state enumeration would be equal to the halting problem. This also goes to show that with a versatile modern programming language, you can build much more complex flows in a natural manner than by piecing together states and transitions manually. I.e. you can bundle data-validation loops, authentication subroutines (i.e. a set of page that logs in the user or allows him to complete a several pages long sign-up process before returning to the task at hand), etc. into functions, bundle those functions into libraries that are then included from main flowscripts.
I think it's an incredibly great thing that thanks to Rhino and continuations, more and more Java-based systems can be built without having to make a tradeoff between the comfort of a modern programming language and runtime scalability. We can have both. As usual, Smalltalk community knows this for decades. Via Rhino, it's breaking into JavaScript and Java as well finally.
Friday, May 19, 2006
Recognizing The Way Of The Continuation
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